Gosh okay. Konatsu doesn't hate Mukuro. He has MOMENTS of it but like--the way it's ALWAYS worked between them is that Mukuro will do something and Konatsu will seethe with rage at him for it and then they actually talk and those feelings fade into SOMETHING ELSE. For a long time it was a sense of fellowship and protectiveness, kind of! MOEKURO. Konatsu would be like, AGH YOU'RE HORRIBLE but man your life sucked and sometimes you're cool and a good guy and you love us and I kinda love you too and . . . can't stay that mad . . . you're horrible but . . . :( Moekuro.
But now he's moved past that and it's a pity thing. He can't hate Mukuro because he just. LOOKS DOWN ON HIM SO STRONGLY. He sees Mukuro as a person who used to be a bad guy and doesn't really want to be anymore but relies on it as a crutch because he's too afraid of trying to change and failing, so! No use trying to change! He gets that Mukuro has had an AMAZINGLY SHITTY LIFE and abuse and has a lot of good reasons to hate humanity. He doesn't blame him for it. But he's sick of the effect it has on everyone around him and the fact that it makes him a danger to himself/his team/others, and the way that Mukuro just goes \:D/ oh well \:D/ ilu Ruby and I'll shun you if you don't love Ruby most/trust me but I also will continually endanger you and upset you and make myself untrustworthy.
Basically he feels like Mukuro has become the Main Character of Ruby, the RUBY HAREM MALE LEAD, and he's sick of it and is like, YOU KNOW WHAT, NO, YOU'RE EXACTLY ONE SEVENTH OF OUR TEAM AND YOU'RE ALSO A GIANT PIECE OF SHIT SO. No more buying into this moe bullshit! You are NOT MOE you're just a little asshole without the strength to open himself up to the same things that normal people deal with every day, like getting hurt by people and giving something of yourself to them and not always being agreed with. But he doesn't hate him! He actually--still likes him, sort of. He doesn't DISlike him. It's just this feeling of "I've realized that I can't force this person to mature, and until he does, he can't be reasoned with or really interacted with on an adult level, so the most I can do is keep an eye on him and try to get along with him as a coworker of sorts."
He's terrified that someday Mukuro will hurt Dera or Luke or someone else on Ruby who loves him and still buys into his Moekuro bullshit, and if that ever happens, Konatsu will FIND something Mukuro loves and gleefully destroy it. TRY NOT TO RAPE ANYONE I LIKE, KID :')
OK I WROTE A THING AND THEN REALIZED IT MADE NO SENSE SO I AM TRYING AGAIN.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT MUKURO IS NEUTRAL-RUBY AT KONATSU EXCEPT FOR IN A FEW PLACES: a) :|a somewhat jealous but isn't exactly sure what to do with jealousy so he routes that to annoyed b) wary -> which is because! he sees that Dera and Konatsu are bros and is basically like oh shit ok if Konatsu isn't happy Dera won't be and then that sucks. Logically. And then that comes to oh well Konatsu hates me :"|;; that is a bit difficult. -> Konatsu is also close to Dusk who is probably Dawn's most important thing I guess I am fucked there too. -> logistically he sees Konatsu as an important linchpin in terms of being . . . smart and having off-team relations and balanced and crap. And Dera likes Konatsu so clearly this is an indicator.
BUT BASICALLY he sees Konatsu with a lot of power and is unsure how to approach that. HAS DECIDED TO DEAL WITH THIS BY NOT AT ALL winninnnggg. But essentially he is just going to "step off" a bit and observe Ruby and see if he's right and try to figure out how to deal with the KONATSU FACTOR!11
(STUPIDKURO THOUGHTS ON RUBY GO HERE). Not in a conscious or probably even narratively intended way lolo. But Mukuro tends to balance himself with the people he surrounds himself with, expansion of ego whatever whatever. In Aather he's mostly going by trial and error cos that's impossible. (Also went through a bit of a trial and error itself anyway). So far he sees all of his tries with Konatsu resulting in error and in general ... unsure how to approach. (BLAHBLAHMUKUROSHITGOESHERE) He also feels like. Unbalanced? KONATSU THROWS HIM OFF '-'
uhhh. Being disliked or hated or being told he's stupid or done wrong or whatever is really nothing. He is ok with that and it wouldn't change how he deals or sees with anyone because lol. But Konatsu's like YOU ARE AFRAID and stuff is really . . . he doesn't have that self-awareness and his scale for measuring "fear" is really skewed. So anxieties or fears never feel like fear to him so he feels like . . . it can't be true. But also can't logic out of it entirely. Also kind of confused as to the whole be a better person shit but whatever. Yes taking the path of least resistenccceeee. Dislike me that is ok just don't expect things of me :U
KONATSU HAS TO SWITCH TEAMS TO A TEAM NOT TIGER'S EYE wharrr does he gooo
KUNZITE because he doesn't have the self-awareness to realize he would be completely dysfunctional on a team not Ruby. He would choose TE of course and if that weren't an option he'd to go Kunzite because even though Natalia is gone, she told him once that Kunzite could be his second team if he ever needed one, and his experiences with them have all been good. The truth is though that he'd be miserable on either team! ONE THING ABOUT KONATSU that he has still not realized about himself (and I don't think realizes yet even in canon) is that he . . . enjoys taking on the role he always takes on, which is being the perpetually stressed out and furious lynchpin adult in a group. Kunzite and TE ARE TOO COMPETENT FOR HIM TO BE HAPPY. He wouldn't be "needed" on either team and actually wouldn't really be "needed" on any team BUT Ruby, and he would end up feeling listless and unfulfilled pretty quickly and not understand why, because he doesn't get yet that he needs to feel put upon to be happy. So he'd pick a cute happy functional team and then be like, oh, this is nice :( this is really nice, we're all so adult and functional, I don't have constant overtime to do :( I'm so happy :(
What are Mukuro's current feelings on team placements? Like, does he think they're random, DESTINY, informed guesses by the Personae, etc.?
He doesn't think about them a lot. MR SELF-DELUSION DOESN'T THINK ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS AND IT MAKES HIM FEEL OK. OK. Like it has never occurred to him to really break down why they end up on a team. A few times people have brought it up to him and he's just like :| If he had to think about it he would agree they were either random or set up to make people change and the second would make him infinitely more cranky as he'd see it as a plot against them. I GUESS HILARIOUSLY IF HE HAD TO THINK ABOUT IT HE WOULD NEVER SEE IT IN A POSITIVE LIGHT \:D/
Reverse that is interesting I ASSUME KONATSU HAS LESS DELUSIONAL AVOIDANT THOUGHTS.
He's always thought they were deliberate since he arrived, and he still does. He's pretty sure that people get put on teams because they're needed there, which is the main reason behind his RUBY!ness, so far as he has RUBY!ness--he cares for Ruby because they're his people and his unit but also because he thinks they're all important and are all SUPPOSED TO BE RUBY. He still wonders about the guy he replaced but assumes it happened because that person ended up not working out for Ruby, and deep down inside he thinks that it's Ruby's fault Charity got booked, because it happened right around when things were really dark between Oz and Dera and Mukuro and they'd stopped doing well in games; he suspects that Ruby became too Bad of a team for Charity to handle and so she disappeared and Koumyou was brought in because he's better able to handle Ruby's shit. And he feels like Koumyou had a good effect on them, so it was the right choice.
Basically he's pretty sure that people are placed where they are for very specific reasons YES EVEN YOU MUKURO! and it's not random at all.
WHY IS MUKURO JEALOUS OF KONATSU, I MISSED THAT THE FIRST TIME I READ YOUR RESPONSE
TWO REASONS. One, he is a needy bastard and pretty hypersensitive to things that could get in the way of things he wants! Paranoid + manipulative selfish feelings contribute to a lot of his OH WELL OK A THEN B THEN C THEN X because he is bad at logical progression. But he is now extremely sure Dera likes Konatsu better :|a CLEARLY THIS BODES POORLY FOR HIM. Also if Dusk likes Konatsu a lot this will CLEARLY FALL INTO DAWN SOMEHOW 8|;; what do.
Second!1 And this is a hilarious thing. Because Acedia has like developed this weird irrational jealousy over people who can ... fun...ction........ like. He's jealous cos Dusk can be a REAL PERSON WITH REAL RELATIONS AND PEOPLE LIKE HIM!1 And Acedia is just like 8|; well we had a similar experience why do I suck. But this is a really... weirdly buried thing because it requires a certain amount of self-awareness and desire to "fit in" normally or whatever. So mostly it just backburners as OH NOES IRRATIONAL IRRITATION AND JEALOUSY 8(. So he is also jealous that Konatsu can person.
... so why does Konatsu think they were all picked :Oa
Okay so he pretty much thinks that Ruby represents a good balance of people. Luke is like a MORAL CENTER, Dera is THE HEART OF THE TEAM/the one who holds them together, Mukuro is there to be Devil's Advocate and force them to consider morality as a foil, and to be ruthless when necessary. Koumyou is there because Ruby needs a stabilizing influence/goodness. He doesn't know about Celty yet but she's there to replace Jacuzzi, so he figures she is more capable of dealing with Ruby than Jacuzzi was, sob. And Oz is sort of a FLOATER? but he's good for forcing Ruby to consider the good of others, and for bringing different viewpoints in, and because he's extremely determined and you need to be that to be okay on Ruby.
As for himself he sort of thinks he's there to care for everyone. SHADOW BOSS? Only without the boss. He kind of. Thinks of himself as Ruby's begleiter. Sob.
OKAY SO BEFORE YOU ASK ME FOR AN UPDATE, UPDATE ME :D
--> PLUS FIVE DERE BUT ALSO PLUS FIVE JEALOUSY so I guess more jealous. Konatsu moved out of Ruby-Neutral to Ruby-Positive. TALKING TO KONATSU ACTUALLY FORCES ACEDIA TO BE MORE SELF AWARE? Which is actually really depressing for him and he kind of hates it and it is immensely stressful and HE WANTS IT TO NOT HAPPENNNNNnnnn.
But he is also having a good conversation with Konatsu. So it is like okok this is ok except for where I realize I feel terrible about everything? And later he will probably sprawl out and be like ughhh whine whine bitch bitch Konatsu bitch bitch. And will feel kind of wary about Konatsu but more in the like UGH OH NOES FORCED TO REALIZE HOW MUCH I FEEL TERRIBLE than any other like oh noes Konatsu will ruin my life feelings. SO THAT IS BETTER ...
The thing, besides the emotional shift, Acedia most keyed into was Konatsu being like oh yes here is our common ground. Except Acedia parsed it a (to himself) as like Konatsu had a common experience with him and yet somehow is not sucking at life. And Try Hard just doesn't cut it for him. Acedia's a perfectionist who sucks at perfection :'D.
ESSENTIALLY KONATSU HAS ENTERED NEW ACEDIA TERRITORY and Acedia is debating whether or not to ask Konatsu advice. But he is also vvvverrrrrryyyyyy unsure and talking to Konatsu is exhausting.
UH HMMMMM well since they haven't really addressed the "I'M ATTRACTED TO YOU" elephant in the room! Konatsu is like, equal parts terrified of that coming up and also tempted to bring it up himself just to clear the air. It feels weird to him to not discuss it at all! But at the same time there's not much to discuss other than OKAY SO UH I THINK YOU'RE KIND OF HOT OKAY THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY W/E! And Jade knows that much already. XD Other than that, Konatsu is pretty tsundere for him; he genuinely cares for him as a Thing (he refuses to say friend but doesn't know what else to say) and is super grateful to have him around when he needs to just discuss shit without the baggage that comes with his conversations with everyone else here. It's funny because despite having a little crush on him, Konatsu doesn't care at all about IMPRESSING Jade, so it's easier for him to just wordvomit on him and open up and say things without worrying about how he's coming off! Also Jade's pretty amoral without being evil and that's refreshing sometimes, because Jade never brings discussions of right or wrong into their conversations. Or really any philosophy at all. Konatsu's unable to get that from anyone else he knows, and sometimes he really, really needs it.
SO \o/ loev Jade my Superiorthing super good to have him around I liek his uniform kya
MOST OF THE RELATIONSHIP STILL APPLIES, where Konatsu's about the closest Jade could call a friend, but isn't one really. He's pretty comfortable with Konatsu, which says a lot all by itself when it's Jade. Sure he gets along with people, but there's getting along, then there's comfort, then there's closeness, and way deep in there is intimacy, so Konatsu's pretty far ahead outside of Emerald.
Finding out Konatsu has a crush on him was surprising! But it wasn't anything that was earth-shattering since he's fully aware Konatsu's also in a relationship with Dusk. And while Jade doesn't care one bit about the whole monogamy thing, it's also something that Konatsu's choice because Jade doesn't. Really care. If asked, he'd go with it, but it doesn't really matter to him either way. So for now it's just "Oh, something else to tease him about. 8)"
PS: if he knew you had a thing for his uniform for sure, that'd also count as another thing to tease you with, Konatsun.
THEY SHOULD THREAD MORE! Lenalee likes him a lot from her first impressions of him! She was really grateful to him for being there in Three's heart and understanding about wanting to find Allen, and helping her, and being logical about it. He seems like a really good and competent person. :( She'd like to talk to him more! She doesn't feel like she knows much about him yet but in the quiz game it was like OH I REMEMBER HIM! HI! :D YOU WERE NICE! So yeah. XD She should approach him someday to chat because she likes getting to know new people and she feels sort of like they've shared something important, having been in a heart game together.
DEFINITELY THREAD MORE! Edmund gets that Lenalee's a very loyal person, ie loyal to friends because that was some stubborn right there. He's impressed and respects that a lot! More importantly, he understands that if someone close to her is in danger, she's not going to sit there and just wait it out happily or easily. He figures she's really nice, but that he saw the more serious side of her that time. Also the most embarrassment ever because of that truth game. BUT YES MORE THREADS!
Acedia gets booked and Ruby gets ToA Van, how does Konatsu react?
LOEV LIL BRO! Wrath is totally Konatsu's favorite member of Ruby although he has never consciously thought about this and wouldn't admit it. He loves him and would cut bitches for him. :(d He sort of subconsciously gets that they're very similar, and he does think of Wrath as like a little brother, A TINY ME?! only no not quite. But he's also seeing more and more that Wrath isn't just a gullible kid or anything! He's a deep and thoughtful guy who's been maturing a lot, and it makes Konatsu SUPER PROUD whenever Wrath like, thinks about things like Acedia's evil antics, or makes up with Cassie, or thinks about his own needs, etc. He used to think of Wrath as sort of in the Shuri category of GUYS WHO ARE SUPER IMMATURE AND NEED MOTHERING but now he doesn't think that; he thinks Dera's just. A young guy in the middle of growing into an older guy, and doing a pretty fine job of it, though he has a ways to go! He's really proud of that and feels very tender and brotherly towards him. Wraaaaaaath ♥ TRUSTS HIM WITH HIS LIFE, LET'S TRY OUR HARDEST TO BECOME IMPRESSIVE MATURE MEN TOGETHER
Not much has changed I think! Dera still looks up to Konatsu the most—he's the one on Ruby that he most wants to emulate, and he's beginniiiiing to creep up on Mukuro for the top spot of who Dera wants the most approval from. But yeah he basically adores Konatsu and is unhappy when he's unhappy and totally sees him as a big brother even if it's not something he's really consciously realized. And does value his opinions and input the most out of anyone on the team—like, he sees Konatsu as more experienced and more reasonably moraled as opposed to the extremes Mukuro and Luke represent, so he feels like he has a realistic take on things which is important to him! So yeah :(a LOEV BIG BRO
YOUR EVIL BOSS SHOWS UP ON STERLING. WHAT DOES KONATSU DO.
God he doesn't even know. If it's AYANAMI--well, the thing is that Konatsu doesn't feel loyalty to Ayanami at this point! His memories haven't given him that. Even in the manga, his loyalty is to Hyuuga, not Ayanami himself; he IS loyal to Ayanami but in a much less personal way. And he does want to serve Verloren HAIL SATAN etc. but it's very much an upbringing thing, which Konatsu doesn't have here, and also the product of having worked with the man for three years, which Konatsu also doesn't have here; in fact he has no positive memories of Ayanami so far. So when Konatsu gets seriously torn over oh god what do with my life, his problem is mostly Hyuuga, not Ayanami. If Ayanami showed up Konatsu would attempt to QUIETLY WARN PEOPLE ABOUT HIM. Hey dudes this guy is bad news, he's super dangerous. But he'd mostly just--kind of watch, and of course Ayanami would remember him eventually and Konatsu would freak out and idek. VERLOREN'S A SCARY DUDE. 8(
What would make Dera actually break up with Mukuro?
Uhhh at this point if he went and tortured/killed/raped/SOMETHING ON THAT LEVEL another dude for his own personal whims or gain. I don't think he would ABANDON HIM, but being able to be with him would become too difficult to bear at that point. It's pretty strained already from this last incident, so it's on a kind of last chance probation for the time being.
What does Konatsu think about Dera and Mukuro's relationship?
It really scares him, sob. It's funny because when they first got together, Konatsu was like, shit, Wrath's really not mature enough to handle this type of thing. Now, though, he thinks it's Acedia who's not mature enough to handle it, and he's afraid it's going to blow up in their faces and Wrath will get hurt, possibly more than just emotionally. Actually he thinks they're a terrible mismatch in that Acedia is too immature to handle the emotional demands of a relationship and Wrath is too immature to handle Acedia's level of physicality yet! He sees it as just TOO INTENSE FOR BOTH OF THEM in different ways and he does not think it's healthy or will end well, but he's resolved to not butt into it unless he feels Wrath is in serious imminent danger. But man. Does he ever worry. He doesn't trust Acedia to be capable of not hurting ANYONE, no matter how much he loves them, and knows he can't convince people like Luke and Dera of that, so he has to just sit and watch. 8(
How IS Dera dealing with the physical relationship, IS HE INTO IT?
He is! But I think a large part of that is because so far their physical relationship's been fairly typical of the kind of things teenagers would do anyway. Pretty vanilla or illicit ~touching~, and yeah there's definite rough and aggressive notes thrown into it at times, but even that's on the mild side of things so it's not enough to alarm him at all (and really a little aggression and roughness wouldn't turn him OFF in the first place). He is kind of reeling from it in a way, though? His sex drive isn't actually very high, so he just feels like he's getting dragged along sometimes. :|a But not in an upsetting way, just kind of overwhelmed at times.
The only thing that's really bothered him so far is the occasional pressuring for public sex, which is just. n-no \o/ Would not ever be comfortable with that.
Top five things Konatsu wants to do that don't involve Mukuro somehow.
SIGH MITCHELL! Konatsu's disappointed about it yeah. I mean well he thinks it's A TERRIBLE THING. He's not really mad at Mitchell because he feels he was too much on the sidelines/didn't have the whole story, which he didn't! He doesn't understand the vampire thing fully, or how much Mitchell or TE knew, etc. So he doesn't feel he can be angry, but he is disappointed, because the last he'd known they were just going to handcuff Mitchell but then the next time they talked it was like OOPS I KILLED A GUY. He's felt the strong urge to kill people outside of games himself, and he doesn't even have an addiction! He can kinda sympathize! But he'd really thought it was taken care of and doesn't quite get what happened, and is like M-MITCHELL WHAT THE HELL. THIS WAS A THING WE TALKED ABOUT.
He honestly doesn't think it will happen again, though, because of how Mitchell and TE are approaching it now, and so that much is cool by him; it was learned from, and Sapphire's business is Sapphire's to handle, it's not anyone else's job to punish Mitchell. If it ever did happen again Konatsu would probably be mad enough to fuck him up some himself because it's one thing to make a mistake and another to not learn from it. But he's pretty sure it won't, so while he thinks telling the other teams is a good idea, he's not in the firm THIS IS THE ONLY MORAL DECISION camp--mostly he just thinks it'll come out ANYWAY so dude just do it yourself, be a man, take responsibility because trying to run doesn't work in the end.
In the end, Konatsu's morality is easily affected by circumstances, and in this case he didn't know the victim and also is in the middle of dealing with the fact that he has a predator on his team whom he considers to be much worse and a much more certain future threat, so he's disappointed and :/ but not as mad as he would be if like, Mitchell had murdered Jade or something. DISTRACTED PLUS MORAL DISTANCE means more objectivity yeaaaah.
Konatsu is actually the person whose opinion Mitchell took most seriously about the whole business, because Konatsu is the only person Mitchell cares about and respects who isn't DIRECTLY related to the whole deal (ie not Sapphire or TE or Knife) and therefore isn't really biased one way or another. So he was super relieved that Konatsu took it well and didn't nailbat him or anything, and Konatsu was basically the only person who could have convinced him to tell everyone about it, which he did.
In general Mitchell's kind of... worried for Konatsu a bit. Since he has to deal with Acedia and thanks to the mirror game Mitchell knows a little bit about how bad Acedia can get, and because Konatsu was obviously stressed enough to snap during Three's heart game and that's never a good thing. He wants to have a talk to him about that but the whole OOPS KILLED A GUY thing kinda overshadowed it too much for him to do it in their last thread. So he might just bring it up again another time.
IS Konatsu still stressed out about augh I can't do anything right like he blew up in Mitchell's direction about?
He's less so but it'll probably hang over him for a while and might explode again someday, since that's actually the second explosion he'd had on that topic, lol. The first time was after he screwed up with Cass and Dera and went off with the Lion for a day to learn how to carry his bonds better, but that only helped temporarily! But now that he's had a total breakdown over it (twice . . . ) etc. he is doing better and resolving to gain some more distance, and so far it's working a bit. It was worse the second time because along with his I WANT TO PROTECT PEOPLE/FIX THINGS issues he had been struggling with ALSO, I WANT TO PLEASE EVERYONE AND NOT EVER MAKE MISTAKES issues and it sort of--trapped him in indecision, because the truth of the matter is there is no way to please everyone, and Konatsu knows from his own canon experiences that when you try, you end up losing yourself and can't please anyone. He needed that kicked back into him, and Jade helped a lot with that after that game, along with other situations and people. So he's regained his own self-worth and realization that it's okay to be himself and make decisions without worrying about EVERYTHING GOING RIGHT FOR EVERYONE EVER AND NO ONE BEING UPSET WITH HIM, as long as he does his best to do something he believes in and can stand behind. He'd lost that and now he kind of has it back, so he's regained himself and feels a lot better, even though life is still stressful in the LAND OF RUBY! 8(d
SO HOW DOES MITCHELL FEEL ABOUT BEING STALKED BY TE THESE DAYS HUH
HE IS ACTUALLY MOSTLY JUST FINE WITH IT I mean he does love his team, and he doesn't mind spending time with his team at all. Which is half the reason he didn't put up a fight about being accompanied all the time! The other half being just wanting to do basically anything to make everyone happy of course. Obviously it gets a bit awkward when he does things like accidentally traumatise Kite by making out with Jaina in front of him oops.
The other unanticipated side effect is that it means Mitchell can't exercise his tendency to stalk off angrily from arguments as effectively as he would like, which I find kind of hilarious. Because he really does tend to run away from arguments instead of resolving them and he kind of... can't so much now. But that only happens very occasionally.
HE'D BE CONFUSED IF THEY ASKED but then he'd accept it yeah! And probably be the most annoying chaperone because, yeah, naggy. ARE YOU EATING WELL ENOUGH HOW DID YOU SLEEP etc. And if Mitchell made out with anyone in front of him he'd be like WH-WHAAAT?! Konatsu has this weird thing where he pretty much assumes everyone he meets is chaste and unattached and doesn't do sexual things until he's presented with direct evidence to the contrary. He's never considered before that Mitchell might have things going on with people because. It just doesn't occur to him . . . :|a
Speaking of which, what is up with that anyway, is he exclusive with Jaina or is it a fooling around thing or! STATE OF MITCHELL'S PANTS GO
WHO KNOWS MAN he and Jaina had been flirting with each other for a while, so he figured she should be one of the first people he told about the vampire/killing business, so he did that and she kissed him and then they chased off Kite and had sex. So from his point of view it's just yay we had fun and get on well let's do that again sometime. I mean they're only now having a relatively deep and meaningful conversation the day after that XD
From what I know as a player, Jaina wants both Mal and Mitchell and Mitchell would be totally okay with this if he knew cause he has vampire sensibilities when it comes to relationships (even if he doesn't know that's where he gets it from) which is PRETTY FREE AND EASY. Except for being kind of confused about her still liking him after he killed the other guy she likes but okay if you're sure that's fine then it's fine!
... tell me about the state of Konatsu's pants or more to the point his pants-related feelings :|a
Okay so Konatsu is VERY MONOGAMOUS and will never act on anything with anyone else. It's just a thing for him because he sees relationships as like--he doesn't ever feel guilty for being attracted to anyone else, and it actually doesn't bother him when Dusk is either, but they're in an exclusive relationship and what matters is not breaking that trust! And he knows that he himself wouldn't be okay with Dusk fooling around with anyone else because he's too jealous, and he thinks maybe Dusk wouldn't be cool with him doing it either, so this is the arrangement they have! and in his estimation he's fine with having minor attractions and with Dusk having minor attractions as long as there's no ACTUAL TOUCHING.
So as for the STATE OF KONATSU'S PANTS uh let's see. He liked Natalia a lot but she went home 8( He definitely had a crush on her and was really confused about the fact that she liked him back and also . . . liked Dusk . . . who also liked her . . . GOSH HE TRIED NOT TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
In general he's easily attracted to small, blonde/redhead women who are of a higher social rank than he is, so Natalia, and he thinks Sharon is very lovely, and he thinks Alena is attractive too even though she's also kind of a bro! And of course he's attracted to Jade, as came out publicly in the quiz game lol. I'M DRAWING A BLANK ON ANYONE ELSE--
EXCEPT! Konatsu also sort of--doesn't know what to do with his motherly/brotherly/protective feelings sometimes. They're a bit tangled up with his attraction-feelings mostly because he sorts Hyuuga into both categories, of "Someone I have a crush on" (which he remembers now that he did) and "Someone I need to take care of because he's childish and incompetent." So there's a little bit of internal confusion that mostly comes out in highly emotional situations with people he's very protective towards. In the thread where Shuri took his Antwort memory Konatsu had his FIRST EVER inkling of attraction to him, and then was immediately like HA HA WHAT WAS THAT . . . UGH. He's generally not attracted to Shuri at all but it was a tense moment and it sort of expressed itself oddly (plus the memory-taking itself was kind of. weird). He's had similar feelings for Gokudera before, where when Dera's depressed or crying and Konatsu's trying to comfort him, there's a tiny part of him that's like, WELL, KISS HIM, THAT WOULD HELP. (Though it's mostly "kiss him on the forehead" or something, not "make out with him," but Konatsu realizes that even that much would be kind of awkward.)
BUT YEAH that's pretty much it. He used to casually crush on more people but he's less preoccupied with that now. Kind of. Ish.
Konatsu REALLY DOESN'T GET WHAT LUKE SEES IN ACEDIA AT ALL GOSH and he kind of is like, okay, this guy is making some bad decisions. But he understood Dawn's logic about the situation and he agrees and admires him for it. He just realizes it's not really for him, either. Which is a step up for Konatsu and a NEW SKILL, realizing that someone can approach something in the right way but it may not be right for EVERYONE! That's pretty much how he sees Dawn right now. He thinks Dawn is an amazing, good, intelligent (mostly) person but that they operate in very different ways. He likes that, actually; he's grateful to be on a team with someone like that, and it adds to his respect for Dawn. They're very different people with different outlooks and that doesn't bother Konatsu! It's a positive thing, especially because they can discuss those things without it being a fight, and understand one another. So he's glad he knows Dawn, and likes him as a person. He wants to be closer to him, actually, but he doesn't know how to ask people to like . . . do things as friends. HE HAS NOT YET MASTERED THIS. So a part of him wants to hang out and just talk sometimes but he has no idea how to initiate that or whether Dawn would want it from him.
He doesn't think Dawn makes ENTIRELY good decisions of course. He does think he's still a kid in some ways (they all are, on Ruby) with shitty taste in men and WEIRD ATTRACTIONS AND BAD IDEAS AND YEAH. But overall he trusts Dawn a lot and is really happy they're on a team together, and just likes him personally.
Dawn is just very... Konatsu is really in the same place that most of his party end ups in prior to PERSONAL TRAUMA BONDING. He trusts Konatsu with, most things, not with things he has started to realize are Konatsu's 'weak points' (like, anger). But wouldn't really hesitate to trust him with most things. He likes it when they talk about memories, but it doesn't happen a lot? So sometimes it's like KONATSU IS REALLY KIND AND UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWS HOW TO HUG PROPERLY ;.; but then they seem to fall away from that again.
SO BASICALLY doesn't uuusually feel very close to? But trusts and is comfortable with and certainly loves. And while there is a part of him that is jealous of his relationship with Dusk, it's smaller than the part of him that is happy Konatsu and Dusk are happy. AND NOW THAT SEX IS COMPLETELY OFF THE TABLE that will be even less of a thing.
He isn't really sure where Konatsu is with Acedia right now. Other than that Konatsu seems to have calmed down, sooo he probably figures it blew over AS IT DOES. But I don't think he'll be terribly surprised when he realizes that Konatsu just regulated him very harshly unto YOU ARE AN UNTRUSTWORTHY CHILDISH MONSTER because. it's pretty true =|a And Dawn is understanding of that but doesn't really care if other people hate Acedia for it.
HOW MUCH DOES KONATSU KNOW ABOUT ACEDIA'S HORRIBLE BACKSTORY? would his feelings change if he knew more?
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tho you can get a pass on that if you want and instead tell me five things konatsu has eaten in aather that he finds delicious.
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Gosh okay. Konatsu doesn't hate Mukuro. He has MOMENTS of it but like--the way it's ALWAYS worked between them is that Mukuro will do something and Konatsu will seethe with rage at him for it and then they actually talk and those feelings fade into SOMETHING ELSE. For a long time it was a sense of fellowship and protectiveness, kind of! MOEKURO. Konatsu would be like, AGH YOU'RE HORRIBLE but man your life sucked and sometimes you're cool and a good guy and you love us and I kinda love you too and . . . can't stay that mad . . . you're horrible but . . . :( Moekuro.
But now he's moved past that and it's a pity thing. He can't hate Mukuro because he just. LOOKS DOWN ON HIM SO STRONGLY. He sees Mukuro as a person who used to be a bad guy and doesn't really want to be anymore but relies on it as a crutch because he's too afraid of trying to change and failing, so! No use trying to change! He gets that Mukuro has had an AMAZINGLY SHITTY LIFE and abuse and has a lot of good reasons to hate humanity. He doesn't blame him for it. But he's sick of the effect it has on everyone around him and the fact that it makes him a danger to himself/his team/others, and the way that Mukuro just goes \:D/ oh well \:D/ ilu Ruby and I'll shun you if you don't love Ruby most/trust me but I also will continually endanger you and upset you and make myself untrustworthy.
Basically he feels like Mukuro has become the Main Character of Ruby, the RUBY HAREM MALE LEAD, and he's sick of it and is like, YOU KNOW WHAT, NO, YOU'RE EXACTLY ONE SEVENTH OF OUR TEAM AND YOU'RE ALSO A GIANT PIECE OF SHIT SO. No more buying into this moe bullshit! You are NOT MOE you're just a little asshole without the strength to open himself up to the same things that normal people deal with every day, like getting hurt by people and giving something of yourself to them and not always being agreed with. But he doesn't hate him! He actually--still likes him, sort of. He doesn't DISlike him. It's just this feeling of "I've realized that I can't force this person to mature, and until he does, he can't be reasoned with or really interacted with on an adult level, so the most I can do is keep an eye on him and try to get along with him as a coworker of sorts."
He's terrified that someday Mukuro will hurt Dera or Luke or someone else on Ruby who loves him and still buys into his Moekuro bullshit, and if that ever happens, Konatsu will FIND something Mukuro loves and gleefully destroy it. TRY NOT TO RAPE ANYONE I LIKE, KID :')
r . . . everse
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THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT MUKURO IS NEUTRAL-RUBY AT KONATSU EXCEPT FOR IN A FEW PLACES:
a) :|a somewhat jealous but isn't exactly sure what to do with jealousy so he routes that to annoyed
b) wary
-> which is because! he sees that Dera and Konatsu are bros and is basically like oh shit ok if Konatsu isn't happy Dera won't be and then that sucks. Logically. And then that comes to oh well Konatsu hates me :"|;; that is a bit difficult.
-> Konatsu is also close to Dusk who is probably Dawn's most important thing I guess I am fucked there too.
-> logistically he sees Konatsu as an important linchpin in terms of being . . . smart and having off-team relations and balanced and crap. And Dera likes Konatsu so clearly this is an indicator.
BUT BASICALLY he sees Konatsu with a lot of power and is unsure how to approach that. HAS DECIDED TO DEAL WITH THIS BY NOT AT ALL winninnnggg. But essentially he is just going to "step off" a bit and observe Ruby and see if he's right and try to figure out how to deal with the KONATSU FACTOR!11
(STUPIDKURO THOUGHTS ON RUBY GO HERE). Not in a conscious or probably even narratively intended way lolo. But Mukuro tends to balance himself with the people he surrounds himself with, expansion of ego whatever whatever. In Aather he's mostly going by trial and error cos that's impossible. (Also went through a bit of a trial and error itself anyway). So far he sees all of his tries with Konatsu resulting in error and in general ... unsure how to approach. (BLAHBLAHMUKUROSHITGOESHERE) He also feels like. Unbalanced? KONATSU THROWS HIM OFF '-'
uhhh. Being disliked or hated or being told he's stupid or done wrong or whatever is really nothing. He is ok with that and it wouldn't change how he deals or sees with anyone because lol. But Konatsu's like YOU ARE AFRAID and stuff is really . . . he doesn't have that self-awareness and his scale for measuring "fear" is really skewed. So anxieties or fears never feel like fear to him so he feels like . . . it can't be true. But also can't logic out of it entirely. Also kind of confused as to the whole be a better person shit but whatever. Yes taking the path of least resistenccceeee. Dislike me that is ok just don't expect things of me :U
KONATSU HAS TO SWITCH TEAMS TO A TEAM NOT TIGER'S EYE wharrr does he gooo
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What are Mukuro's current feelings on team placements? Like, does he think they're random, DESTINY, informed guesses by the Personae, etc.?
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Reverse that is interesting I ASSUME KONATSU HAS LESS DELUSIONAL AVOIDANT THOUGHTS.
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Basically he's pretty sure that people are placed where they are for very specific reasons YES EVEN YOU MUKURO! and it's not random at all.
WHY IS MUKURO JEALOUS OF KONATSU, I MISSED THAT THE FIRST TIME I READ YOUR RESPONSE
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Second!1 And this is a hilarious thing. Because Acedia has like developed this weird irrational jealousy over people who can ... fun...ction........ like. He's jealous cos Dusk can be a REAL PERSON WITH REAL RELATIONS AND PEOPLE LIKE HIM!1 And Acedia is just like 8|; well we had a similar experience why do I suck. But this is a really... weirdly buried thing because it requires a certain amount of self-awareness and desire to "fit in" normally or whatever. So mostly it just backburners as OH NOES IRRATIONAL IRRITATION AND JEALOUSY 8(. So he is also jealous that Konatsu can person.
... so why does Konatsu think they were all picked :Oa
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Okay so he pretty much thinks that Ruby represents a good balance of people. Luke is like a MORAL CENTER, Dera is THE HEART OF THE TEAM/the one who holds them together, Mukuro is there to be Devil's Advocate and force them to consider morality as a foil, and to be ruthless when necessary. Koumyou is there because Ruby needs a stabilizing influence/goodness. He doesn't know about Celty yet but she's there to replace Jacuzzi, so he figures she is more capable of dealing with Ruby than Jacuzzi was, sob. And Oz is sort of a FLOATER? but he's good for forcing Ruby to consider the good of others, and for bringing different viewpoints in, and because he's extremely determined and you need to be that to be okay on Ruby.
As for himself he sort of thinks he's there to care for everyone. SHADOW BOSS? Only without the boss. He kind of. Thinks of himself as Ruby's begleiter. Sob.
OKAY SO BEFORE YOU ASK ME FOR AN UPDATE, UPDATE ME :D
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But he is also having a good conversation with Konatsu. So it is like okok this is ok except for where I realize I feel terrible about everything? And later he will probably sprawl out and be like ughhh whine whine bitch bitch Konatsu bitch bitch. And will feel kind of wary about Konatsu but more in the like UGH OH NOES FORCED TO REALIZE HOW MUCH I FEEL TERRIBLE than any other like oh noes Konatsu will ruin my life feelings. SO THAT IS BETTER ...
The thing, besides the emotional shift, Acedia most keyed into was Konatsu being like oh yes here is our common ground. Except Acedia parsed it a (to himself) as like Konatsu had a common experience with him and yet somehow is not sucking at life. And Try Hard just doesn't cut it for him. Acedia's a perfectionist who sucks at perfection :'D.
ESSENTIALLY KONATSU HAS ENTERED NEW ACEDIA TERRITORY and Acedia is debating whether or not to ask Konatsu advice. But he is also vvvverrrrrryyyyyy unsure and talking to Konatsu is exhausting.
UPDATE ME.
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SO \o/ loev Jade my Superiorthing super good to have him around I liek his uniform kya
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Finding out Konatsu has a crush on him was surprising! But it wasn't anything that was earth-shattering since he's fully aware Konatsu's also in a relationship with Dusk. And while Jade doesn't care one bit about the whole monogamy thing, it's also something that Konatsu's choice because Jade doesn't. Really care. If asked, he'd go with it, but it doesn't really matter to him either way. So for now it's just "Oh, something else to tease him about. 8)"
PS: if he knew you had a thing for his uniform for sure, that'd also count as another thing to tease you with, Konatsun.
LET'S TALK LENALEE AND EDMUND for the hell of it!
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Predictably, REVERSE
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Acedia gets booked and Ruby gets ToA Van, how does Konatsu react?
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REVERSE!
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YOUR EVIL BOSS SHOWS UP ON STERLING. WHAT DOES KONATSU DO.
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What would make Dera actually break up with Mukuro?
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What does Konatsu think about Dera and Mukuro's relationship?
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How IS Dera dealing with the physical relationship, IS HE INTO IT?
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The only thing that's really bothered him so far is the occasional pressuring for public sex, which is just. n-no \o/ Would not ever be comfortable with that.
Top five things Konatsu wants to do that don't involve Mukuro somehow.
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He honestly doesn't think it will happen again, though, because of how Mitchell and TE are approaching it now, and so that much is cool by him; it was learned from, and Sapphire's business is Sapphire's to handle, it's not anyone else's job to punish Mitchell. If it ever did happen again Konatsu would probably be mad enough to fuck him up some himself because it's one thing to make a mistake and another to not learn from it. But he's pretty sure it won't, so while he thinks telling the other teams is a good idea, he's not in the firm THIS IS THE ONLY MORAL DECISION camp--mostly he just thinks it'll come out ANYWAY so dude just do it yourself, be a man, take responsibility because trying to run doesn't work in the end.
In the end, Konatsu's morality is easily affected by circumstances, and in this case he didn't know the victim and also is in the middle of dealing with the fact that he has a predator on his team whom he considers to be much worse and a much more certain future threat, so he's disappointed and :/ but not as mad as he would be if like, Mitchell had murdered Jade or something. DISTRACTED PLUS MORAL DISTANCE means more objectivity yeaaaah.
REVERSE?
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In general Mitchell's kind of... worried for Konatsu a bit. Since he has to deal with Acedia and thanks to the mirror game Mitchell knows a little bit about how bad Acedia can get, and because Konatsu was obviously stressed enough to snap during Three's heart game and that's never a good thing. He wants to have a talk to him about that but the whole OOPS KILLED A GUY thing kinda overshadowed it too much for him to do it in their last thread. So he might just bring it up again another time.
IS Konatsu still stressed out about augh I can't do anything right like he blew up in Mitchell's direction about?
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SO HOW DOES MITCHELL FEEL ABOUT BEING STALKED BY TE THESE DAYS HUH
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The other unanticipated side effect is that it means Mitchell can't exercise his tendency to stalk off angrily from arguments as effectively as he would like, which I find kind of hilarious. Because he really does tend to run away from arguments instead of resolving them and he kind of... can't so much now. But that only happens very occasionally.
IS KONATSU UP FOR CHAPERONING MITCHELL DUTY?
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Speaking of which, what is up with that anyway, is he exclusive with Jaina or is it a fooling around thing or! STATE OF MITCHELL'S PANTS GO
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From what I know as a player, Jaina wants both Mal and Mitchell and Mitchell would be totally okay with this if he knew cause he has vampire sensibilities when it comes to relationships (even if he doesn't know that's where he gets it from) which is PRETTY FREE AND EASY. Except for being kind of confused about her still liking him after he killed the other guy she likes but okay if you're sure that's fine then it's fine!
... tell me about the state of Konatsu's pants or more to the point his pants-related feelings :|a
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Okay so Konatsu is VERY MONOGAMOUS and will never act on anything with anyone else. It's just a thing for him because he sees relationships as like--he doesn't ever feel guilty for being attracted to anyone else, and it actually doesn't bother him when Dusk is either, but they're in an exclusive relationship and what matters is not breaking that trust! And he knows that he himself wouldn't be okay with Dusk fooling around with anyone else because he's too jealous, and he thinks maybe Dusk wouldn't be cool with him doing it either, so this is the arrangement they have! and in his estimation he's fine with having minor attractions and with Dusk having minor attractions as long as there's no ACTUAL TOUCHING.
So as for the STATE OF KONATSU'S PANTS uh let's see. He liked Natalia a lot but she went home 8( He definitely had a crush on her and was really confused about the fact that she liked him back and also . . . liked Dusk . . . who also liked her . . . GOSH HE TRIED NOT TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
In general he's easily attracted to small, blonde/redhead women who are of a higher social rank than he is, so Natalia, and he thinks Sharon is very lovely, and he thinks Alena is attractive too even though she's also kind of a bro! And of course he's attracted to Jade, as came out publicly in the quiz game lol. I'M DRAWING A BLANK ON ANYONE ELSE--
EXCEPT! Konatsu also sort of--doesn't know what to do with his motherly/brotherly/protective feelings sometimes. They're a bit tangled up with his attraction-feelings mostly because he sorts Hyuuga into both categories, of "Someone I have a crush on" (which he remembers now that he did) and "Someone I need to take care of because he's childish and incompetent." So there's a little bit of internal confusion that mostly comes out in highly emotional situations with people he's very protective towards. In the thread where Shuri took his Antwort memory Konatsu had his FIRST EVER inkling of attraction to him, and then was immediately like HA HA WHAT WAS THAT . . . UGH. He's generally not attracted to Shuri at all but it was a tense moment and it sort of expressed itself oddly (plus the memory-taking itself was kind of. weird). He's had similar feelings for Gokudera before, where when Dera's depressed or crying and Konatsu's trying to comfort him, there's a tiny part of him that's like, WELL, KISS HIM, THAT WOULD HELP. (Though it's mostly "kiss him on the forehead" or something, not "make out with him," but Konatsu realizes that even that much would be kind of awkward.)
BUT YEAH that's pretty much it. He used to casually crush on more people but he's less preoccupied with that now. Kind of. Ish.
. . . who else do you play I forget
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i may reply tomorrow because I am about to go derp off into dds replaying
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Konatsu REALLY DOESN'T GET WHAT LUKE SEES IN ACEDIA AT ALL GOSH and he kind of is like, okay, this guy is making some bad decisions. But he understood Dawn's logic about the situation and he agrees and admires him for it. He just realizes it's not really for him, either. Which is a step up for Konatsu and a NEW SKILL, realizing that someone can approach something in the right way but it may not be right for EVERYONE! That's pretty much how he sees Dawn right now. He thinks Dawn is an amazing, good, intelligent (mostly) person but that they operate in very different ways. He likes that, actually; he's grateful to be on a team with someone like that, and it adds to his respect for Dawn. They're very different people with different outlooks and that doesn't bother Konatsu! It's a positive thing, especially because they can discuss those things without it being a fight, and understand one another. So he's glad he knows Dawn, and likes him as a person. He wants to be closer to him, actually, but he doesn't know how to ask people to like . . . do things as friends. HE HAS NOT YET MASTERED THIS. So a part of him wants to hang out and just talk sometimes but he has no idea how to initiate that or whether Dawn would want it from him.
He doesn't think Dawn makes ENTIRELY good decisions of course. He does think he's still a kid in some ways (they all are, on Ruby) with shitty taste in men and WEIRD ATTRACTIONS AND BAD IDEAS AND YEAH. But overall he trusts Dawn a lot and is really happy they're on a team together, and just likes him personally.
REVERSE YIS
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SO BASICALLY doesn't uuusually feel very close to? But trusts and is comfortable with and certainly loves. And while there is a part of him that is jealous of his relationship with Dusk, it's smaller than the part of him that is happy Konatsu and Dusk are happy. AND NOW THAT SEX IS COMPLETELY OFF THE TABLE that will be even less of a thing.
He isn't really sure where Konatsu is with Acedia right now. Other than that Konatsu seems to have calmed down, sooo he probably figures it blew over AS IT DOES. But I don't think he'll be terribly surprised when he realizes that Konatsu just regulated him very harshly unto YOU ARE AN UNTRUSTWORTHY CHILDISH MONSTER because. it's pretty true =|a And Dawn is understanding of that but doesn't really care if other people hate Acedia for it.
HOW MUCH DOES KONATSU KNOW ABOUT ACEDIA'S HORRIBLE BACKSTORY? would his feelings change if he knew more?
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